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Your X-Plane Set up

Postby GlowWorm » 22 Mar 2009 12:59

Hiya,

Post here your X-Plane set up, if you want.

AADX wanted to know what kind of setup I got that got that wide screen view. So, recently I’ve upgraded/replaced my Mac-based XP-rig to a Linux-based one. The Mac setup looked like this for the last 5 years:
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Apple PowerMac G5
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ThrustMaster Cougar stick w/ pressure sensor mod.
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Saitek Pro Flight Rudder.
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1. X-Plane 8 / X-Plane 9
2. Apple PowerMac G4 dual 2.5GHz, 4GB ram, 2x 250GB SATA 5400 rpm HD
3. nVidia 6800 ultra w/ 256MB VRAM
4. Apple Studio LCD 17” (1280 x 1024)
5. Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar stick
6. Saitek Pro Flight Rudder.

This yielded 25 FPS at moderate settings in XP8 and 9 (and 40+ with the barren pre-super scenery release of V8). Quite enjoyable flying in most cases. However in some areas the dreaded fog (X-Plane’s concept of trying to keep the FPS up for smooth simulation, by fogging up the distant scenery.)

Having pondered about what X-Plane would need to be able to achieve reasonable FPS, I thought a minimum 35 FPS in 80% of the areas where I fly would be nice to have. So, I settled with this off-the-shelf collection of PC-hardware worth €2,425 (PC €1,425 + LCD €1,000) When I purchased it early March the USD/EUR exhange rate is 1.25:1. Right now it's 1.35:1.

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Antec 900 case.
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i7 920
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nVidia Geforce GTX-295 exploded view.
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2x HP 2475w 24" 1920x1200 monitor.
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Ubuntu 8.10 with GNOME desktop.
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ASUS P6T mobo.
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1. Asus P6T mobo, 6GB RAM DDR3-1600, 1x 1000GB SATA 7200 rpm HD
2. Intel Core i7 920 2.67GHz 8-core CPU
3. nVidia GTX 295 w/ 1800MB VRAM
4. Antec 900 case + 700W PSU
5. Two HP LP2475w 24” 1920 x 1200 monitors ( €1,000)
6. Ubuntu Linux 8.10 64-bit edition.

This gets me about 60 FPS at all settings at extreme and 3600 x 1200 resolution. In some areas FPS goes up to 150+ FPS. So, I’ve exceeded my goal of a minimum 35 FPS in 80% of the areas where I fly. Below links are the external view of the Starship 2000 at Sydney Harbour at 3600 x 1150.

The PC part of the setup is bit more expensive. That’s the drawback of using the bleeding edge parts for the mobo and CPU. I didn’t fancy using Core Duo that’s now been replaced by the Nehalem architecture with QuickPath memory bus. Most reports show the i7 920 is 10 to 15% faster than it’s predecessors at similar clockspeeds. In a few years when the i7 has faster successors, this XP-rig will become one of the side view systems, and another main PC will drive the main screen. X-Plane has the ability to network views using multiple computers running X-Plane (1 computer + display setup).

As for the operating system. For now I settle with the Linux distribution Ubuntu (simple enough for me to understand). Installation was basically:
1) disk image download (15 min),
2) Installation (20 min)
3) 1 reboot
4) dowload and install of subreleases since first disk image release. (15 min)
5) find the latest nVidia GTX driver (v 180) + xconfig edit (2 min)
6) Hook up Mac in firewire diskmode (acts like a very expensive external disk) and to copy the 65GB worth of XP922 data. Then run a netupdate w/ the Linux version to replace Mac-files with Linux (10 min)

Actually there's a step before 6) Ubuntu 8.10 has slightly newer libraries. So figuring out that problem took me half a day. It's on the net and very simple.

Ben Supnik’s blog has a quick comparison where at that time Linux shows best performance, followed by Windooze, and in turn followed by MacOS X. The latter is explained by unoptimised nVidia drivers. I’ve found in my own comparison that Linux on my setup gets 10% to 15% higher FPS compared to Windooze Vista Ultimate 32-bit. Initially I installed the 32-bit edition of Ubuntu and noticed that X-Plane 9 would only use 3GB of RAM (my setup has 6GB). Right now I’m flying around using the 64-bit Ubuntu. I’ll post some comparisons soon. First I’d like to find out why X-Plane doesn’t get me sound. I suspect missing 32-bit sound drivers. (I did notice that XP930B5 has sound, though.)

Here are the original 3600x1150 pics that I posted here (viewtopic.php?f=30&t=56#p178)
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Starship 2000 heading for Sydney Harbour Bridge. in XP922.

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Starship 2000 above Sydney Harbour.
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby alexcolka » 26 Mar 2009 14:01

Hi GlowWorm,
I'm pretty amazed with your HW configuration, but most impressed with your decision to move from Mac to Linux, I know that Ubuntu will be my absolute future very near leaving Windows behind... I have the yellow X-Plane 9 DVDs and planning to buy the grey ones that I understand can be installed in any OS; can you tell me with more detail how was your experience in installing just X-Plane 9 in Ubuntu?
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby GlowWorm » 26 Mar 2009 14:57

Aloha alexcolka,

Welcome to this cosy site of AADx.

Don't get me wrong; I'm still a MacHead. :-) But for X-Plane I decided to go for full performance - flight sim is a great passion of mine. So, then getting that rig together doesn't seem so painful anymore. Don't forget, the PowerMac G5 dual 2.5 was retailing for 4,500 Euro. Back then in 2004 I had the same desire: fastest I could get for flight simulation (I wasn't on XP back then). Still working great! In fact I made a small website to show you and other fellow pilots what my little X-Plane sim world looks like. Used a n00b tool called iWeb that is Mac-only unfortunately. Basically it's as if I am writing using a word processor, drag and drop pics, audio, video.

As for Linux, MacOS X is based on BSD Unix 4.4. It wasn't entirely new to me. I've been tinkering with Minix and somewhat later MkLinux for Mac. It wasn't until mid last year that I got bored with WinXP at work that I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and replaced 98% of the functionality of WinXP - the last 2% are NetMeeting and Office Communicator that's corporate standard which don't have a Linux equivalent. But the entire office applications suite is available in Ubuntu (comes w/ OpenOffice and more). But, no one noticed the difference, but the laptop run cooler and I had a nicer working environment, and a tad faster. Many different GUI styles available actually - even one that resembles WinXP. If that's what you want, Kubuntu is likely your choice (as you know, KDE GUI + Ubuntu). I actually also got the 64-bit version of Xubuntu installed. Hoping to squeeze a few more FPS out of XP, but that OS didn't work out well. May try the regular 32-bit version soon.

As for the CD's, the data that makes up the scenery and supporting files are the same as for MacOS or Linux. The only difference... the program files. Download the DVD installer from X-plane.com, and you will get the Linux versions of XP9 (then send half of the money you planned to spend on a new set of XP9 to me :P ). My DVDs of XP9 didn't come with Linux installer (it was the released as Beta back then), and I found the on the net. I've detailed the installation process of Linux/XP here: http://x-plane.push-point.net in the Blog section (lol, there's only 1 blog so far). With the info I know now, you can get Ubuntu + XP installed in about 2 hours (that includes the data transfer from the Window partition into your home dir of Linux. (Linux will recognise the Wind00ze and Mac partitions w/o problem). I'm focussing on expanding that website a bit, so writing a Linux/XP step-by-step manual will be very low on my list (it's on the list though). Anyways, my main challenge was to learn Ubuntu as well as understand how XP gets installed. There were some XP-Linux specific things that needed attention (library changes fro Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 - XP was expecting 8.04 libraries). I took the challenge 1 step futher. Having installed it under the 32-bit edition, I create another partition where I installed Ubuntu 64-bit. XP needed 32-bit libraries. After figuring out which ones those were, I got XP to run in 64-bit Linux. I'm yet to compare the performance of both. Stay tuned. Meanwile if you have specific questions of XP-install, just write me. Ubuntu install should not be an issue. If you have fancy graphics card, use F4 to tell it to boot the CD in safe graphics mode. Install Ubuntu, then find the specific card drivers, and hope it all works. :-)

I was thinking to say: let's talk about this in a separate section of this site. I think it's nicer to keep this thread clean by only posting details about X-Plane setups. But I guess it's ok to keep it more informal and chatty. I just don't want to bore the rest with nerdy talk about Leenoox. :-)

Good luck with your choice. Let me know where I can help.

GlowWorm

PS: you can install Ubuntu inside Win as if it were a Win program. Performance is less cos you are still in Win, but you can at least try out some stuff if you want.
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby alexcolka » 26 Mar 2009 16:45

Dear GlowWorm,
Hahahahaha! "Download the DVD installer from X-plane.com, and you will get the Linux versions of XP9 (then send half of the money you planned to spend on a new set of XP9 to me)" :lol:
Big lol! I just can't stop laughing! Very nice reply my friend and many thanks for your comments, I will try your advise, and you're also right, this forum is more for those nice planes that Jason made and X-Plane so my apologies to the Forum Admins... One more word GlowWorm, I think making that X-Plane installation in Linux manual could be an excellent idea, I will check your blog.
Thanks for that ton of info!
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby GlowWorm » 27 Mar 2009 14:18

Alex,

If you have Ubuntu 64-bit read this: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?sho ... 4&hl=linux If you have 32-bit then read this: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?sho ... stallation General Linux related info is here: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?act ... stallation Let me know if you have questions that you can't find answers for above.
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby alexcolka » 27 Mar 2009 14:33

Hello GlowWorm!
This is really good material! At a first glance it seems that there are lots of things worth to try, I will be studying those threads because I'm counting the days til the release of Ubuntu 9.04 and give a try. I will do this in other hard drive with the same hardware I've got. I don't like partitions nor virtual machines that much.
Thanks once again for your support!
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby GlowWorm » 27 Mar 2009 14:56

Hiya Alex,

I think partitions are handy to separate different OS'es, and for Unix-like operating systems, I like to separate the home dir from the system dir. At least I will create a separate swap disk.

About the links, I do realise there's a lot of chatter to read through. It should be easy to summarise in less than half a page.
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby bitterSTAR » 29 Mar 2009 11:42

I use the following:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Asus P5E
8GB DDR 2-800
Nvidia 8800 GTS 512
Lian-Li V2100 Black PC Case
Creative X-Fi
2x Samsung 22" monitors
Ergotron Neo-Flex Dual Monitor Stand
Saitek Cyborg Evo Wireless

I plan on purchasing a TrackIR set too.

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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby GlowWorm » 29 Mar 2009 12:46

Aloha bitterSTAR,

Awesome set up!

Which flavour of Win do you use and what FPS do you get with this set up?

bitterSTAR wrote:I use the following:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Asus P5E
8GB DDR 2-800
Nvidia 8800 GTS 512
Lian-Li V2100 Black PC Case
Creative X-Fi
2x Samsung 22" monitors
Ergotron Neo-Flex Dual Monitor Stand
Saitek Cyborg Evo Wireless

I plan on purchasing a TrackIR set too.
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Re: Your X-Plane Set up

Postby bitterSTAR » 29 Mar 2009 13:05

GlowWorm wrote:Aloha bitterSTAR,

Awesome set up!

Which flavour of Win do you use and what FPS do you get with this set up?


I run Windows XP 32bit for X-Plane, I have 8GB of RAM because I use Vista 64bit as my main OS. I didn't bother getting XP 64-bit as X-Plane is 32bit, and I don't use Linux, because a lot of the software I use is Windows only - such as CATIA, and Visual Studio. I have tried Linux though :)

I get between 25-60fps - I have the limit set to 60, but I doubt it'd go much further above this. I can't crank all the settings up to maximum either.

I would spend more money on my computer, but instead I'm spending my money on doing a PPL ;)
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